and unlike Midnight Sun - the characters here actually have personality and are interesting. Not to mention Jules writing abilities go further then describing someones velvet voice and impossible beauty every 5 seconds.
and what the hell is a velvet voice anyway!!? How do you talk like a material??!! My cotton voice. I spoke in a polyster tone. God i sound woollen today.
Yay! Twilight bashing! I don't have time to start on the many (many, many) things I hate about Twilight, but just coming across other people who feel the same way makes me soooo happy :D
yeah i once read twilight and liked it too when i was like 15. but the thing is that you only read it once for entertainment and that's it, it's over. there's no desire to read them over and over again. books like harry potter stay in your heart forever.
Oooh I can't wait to read more adorable James. He really is QUITE adorable, isn't he? I was just rereading um... can't remember chapter number, but it was after a party and James, taking Reg's advice, was going to tell Lily how he felt but dedided not to cos she said "I hate complicated"... AW!! I wanted to give him a hug. Bless his little heart!
LOL 2:32. Polyester tone. Personally, "velvet voice" remind me of someone with a super evil voice. Also LOL @Kanye shrug
Have you guys ever seen the comic Garfield Minus Garfield? Where they just take Garfield out of the comic and make it about a ultra depressed Jon?
I think if they did Twilight minus Bella, I might enjoy it. I just fucking hate that character. And I know Rosalie is supposed to be the "mean, shallow" one, but she's WAY more BA. Dude, that bitch killed her fiancee who raped her in her wedding dress. Fucking props, woman. Can the books be about her? Or the Confederate. DUDE, a CIVIL WAR ERA CONFEDERATE VAMPIRE! That shit's epic. WHY ARE THESE BOOKS NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BESIDES BELLA?
I think somebody else mentioned this in another post, but you mentioned in your recap that James & Carlotta hit it off in the biblical sense..does that mean that puppy endangering events have already happened? ;)
"WHY ARE THESE BOOKS NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BESIDES BELLA?"
That is the real question. Omg, this reminds me of a one shot fic I read (yes, I read AU Twilight ff >.< ) that blew my mind. And later me and my friend concluded it was because that was what should have happened in the books. Two pages in Word, that's how long it should have taken for the story to end.
I don't really like any of the main characters in the books. And the worst thing is that she writes it as if you're supposed to like them, when they're all really terrible people.
@ bree: well if it was for who I want for Bella... then it wouldn't make a difference if it was Edward or Jacob, they're both just as annoying as Bella, and as such both suit her perfectly. Team Jacob or Team Edward? Team Whoever-can-get-her-to-fucking-stop-whining.
@ Jules: I've seen that! But I didn't pay attention to anything he was saying, I was just swooning over his sexy accent. I'm swooning now just thinking of it :p
Oh, how I love Nerimon. But I guess the one character that has a sweet personality would be Seth (I think that's his name..? He's one of the werewolves)
Okay, so I read the Twilight books 'cos everyone was going on about them and I didn't want to feel left out. At the end, I put the book down and said (to no-one in particular) 'I don't get it.'
So I went onto a couple of Twilight fansites and forums and told people that I read the book and said that I didn't get it and can someone please tell me what it is about the books that so many poeple liked. I got dozens of replies, all along the lines of 'Cos Edward is Hottt!'
It's been a couple of years since then and I've yet to come across a more sensible answer. So if anyone here enjoyed the Twilight books, please enlighten me as to why.
Wow. These comments took awhile to get through but I laughed a lot :-)) My favourite Twilight guy was that Volturi dude. Y'know, the one that was really bored all the time. He made me laugh a lot when everyone's like: KILL THE CULLENS and he's like: can I go home? @Lou: The reason I enjoy the "SAGAofallepicSAGAS" is sort of why I watch the Brady Bunch. Because it's SO bad, it becomes funny. I like to read the books out in this weird, dramatic voice. It amuses me. But that's probably not the answer you've been looking for :-)) -Charlie
Breaking Dawn is literally the WORST book i have ever read in my life. The first 3 are nothing special but that one is just...disgraceful. Stephanie Meyer is a terrible author, there's no other way to put it.
in other news: any idea when the chaphy will be done?
@ previous anon: Yeah Breaking Dawn is embarrassingly bad, but I thought the second one New Moon was the worst. The bit where she writes a whole bunch of months out per page... that made me so angry I screamed. How was this story published?!
And I'm not being funny, but I've never written a single story since high school, but I could write better than Stephanie Meyer. I know most of the rules of grammar, which Meyer clearly does not.
@Anonymous 2:52--totally forgot to answer your question; sorry. Have James/Carlotta already shagged? It's... nebulous. Lol. There's an assumption made by Sirius (and soon Shelley) that they have, just because she's Carlotta and he's James, but whether they actually HAVE at this point is not really clear. But I think its safe to say that whether or not they have, they prolly will through the course of their relationship.
Because i have this weird thing where i like the idea of James being a womanising sex fiend before he gets with Lily. LOL. And also i think the drama it shall cause between Lily/Carlotta/Shelley will be good fun to read.
Haha Bree. I actually don't mind James and Carlotta together. I mean yes he's obviously meant for Lily, but at least he's not crying in some corner like a little boy. And if he's gonna date someone else, why shouldn't he shag her? Plus I do believe him being with Carlotta with jump start Lily's affections for him, which is definitely needed, because sexy dreams just don't cut it. :)
Jenn, no, it's not like that. I'm all for James getting as much sex as he can before he finally ends up with Lily. But just NOT Carlotta. God, I hate her. I prefer anyone but HER.
But I feel like it's better because it's her, Bree. Because she's so different than Lily, it's the only way it'll work. As it is James already compares them, and if they were too similar it would drive him mad. But because Carlotta is very different from Lily, it adds an interesting spin on things.
Disregarding the fact that Jules is going to do whatever she wants no matter what we vote, I would just like to say YES. It needs to happen. James continuously fawning after Lily without seeing any other girls is soo unrealistic (coughEdward'sfeelingsforBellacoughcough). There needs to be depth, I think. And how is James supposed to know for a fact that he is absolutely meant for Lily without first realizing that he ISN'T meant for anyone else?
4:25 No i don't like super cliched fics at all lol. Usually the stories where James is what i described are terrible, which is dissapointing. Theres only about 5 stories in all fan fiction that i actually love and James doesn't get much action in any of them. I just don't like the idea of James never being with anyone before Lily. I mean he was an attractive, popular guy and i reckon he would have been with a few girls.
"I'm all for James getting as much sex as he can before he finally ends up with Lily." .... Why? He is seventeen when he ends up with her... why do so many fanfic writers give him enough sexual experience for a man twice his age?
Now I'm not saying that he should be a virgin, or she should be a virgin or whatever. They were seventeen - and at seventeen, it can go either way. But I read a fic recently in which James and Lily have That Conversation, and in it, Lily (surprise, surprise) is still a virgin. James on the other hand, has slept with twenty-one girls. At seventeen years of age.
4:34 No, I think it somewhat unlikely that he didn't have a girlfriend before Lily - he was, after all, a good-looking popular teenage boy. It's likely that he did have a few girlfriends, and it's perfectly possible that he lost his virginity before Lily. I don't mind that. I DO mind him having slept with dozens of girls... it's just unlikely. And James-in-my-head isn't a total shit-bag who would sleep with loads of girls just cos it's cool to.
AND the main reason that I don't like it is cos it's just so darn cliche, it happened in every fanfiction back when. THAT'S what mostly annoys me. I would read a super cliche fic if it was otherwise well-written, but they usually aren't.
So MY POINT IS... I don't want him to sleep with Carlotta. (that was originally my point wasn't it?) Lou
Anon 4:34- Twenty one?! Holy Mother... No, that's not what I meant. I meant he could have sex repeatedly with a steady partner that is not Carlotta (lol). I did NOT mean I'd rather him have sex with 21 or more girls.
I don't know. I hate it when the numbers are extreme, but I still think that James needs to sleep with Carlotta because she has a face, if that makes sense. This Sarah that he slept with, we never really got to know her. It's much more interesting with the character is close to the main plot. Plus, James isn't perfect, and he's going to make mistakes. I think that might finally make him realize that things with Carlotta are not okay, and that it's not a good idea. Maybe.
MY opinion is that James should NOT sleep with Carlotta... because, well, Lily is described as pretty and beautiful etc. and Carlotta, I believe is the only person described as prettier than Lily? (Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was described as prettier than Lily at one point?) SO, if Lily is to be made to feel worthless and insecure, sleeping with Carlotta would be the one way to do it.
Now this may be said to be the very reason for James to sleep with her, but I wouldn't like it.
AND, James is already doubting his decision to give things with Carlotta a go... so surely he should just end it now. NOT sleep with her.
Ugh I just find anyone sleeping with Carlotta so revolting but I guess I could learn to live with it if it happened, I've seen worse. I once read a fic where James got drunk and cheated on Lily...after they got married...yeah... Needless to say I skiddadled outta there pretty quick.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to this post as it is the last Carlotta free chapter. (I think she's scheduled for a reappearance in Chapter 30?)
Just reread the first Donna/Lathe conversation. It's reallyrather amusing :-))
"This is why I didn't want this job," sighed the wizard. "Alright... um—I'm not your teacher, so I'm not going to punish you or anything, but... just... stop. You... girl..." To Donna, "Don't hex people. It's not how you get a bloke's attention."
"Oh, I didn't hex them," Donna answered at once. "You see, they were fighting, so I tried to break them up."
"By hexing them," concluded the other, dryly.
:-)) Oh, and am also rewatching the pilot Gilmore Girls episode, and have remembered that the very first words on the show were: "Please Luke, please, please, please." -One, Lorelai Gilmore.
Oh man, totally missed two huge debates! Okay, Twilight: whoever said the books were entertaining to read once, but never over and over like HP--exactly my opinion of them. Also, they DEFINITELY should have been about someone beside Bella, like Jasper (b/c I love him--er, relative to the others, at least). And I agree with whoever said the part in New Moon where she just skips over like three months is terrible. Though totally hilarious in the movie when they do THE SAME THING and just rotate the camera view around Bella sitting in a chair....does anyone else LOVE watching the movies just because they're so much fun to ridicule?
As for James and Carlotta getting their shag on ;) I don't have an opinion one way or the other. It doesn't bother me, but I'm not like YES THIS HAS TO HAPPEN!
Okay, here's my issue. I just read the bit of LaT that an Anon mentioned many eons ago:
"And nothing had changed. She was still too good for words, and he was still helpless. He had always known there was no chance for him, and that hadn't changed either. He had always known there was a Luke, and he had always known she would only be confused by what he wanted to say. Nothing had changed, except maybe one factor.
...
It shouldn't be Luke. It should be James, not Luke. It was so wrong, and she couldn't see it, and it completely, completely sucked. But she was afraid of complicated, and maybe that took precedence over what James wanted, no matter how desperately he wanted it."
Oh James, that was incredibly sweet, my heart hurt for you when I read that. But she's not with Luke anymore. So it should be quite simple. Except it's not cos you're with fucking Carlotta now, you div.
*Sigh* I didn't like the Carlotta twist, and I certainly don't want them to sleep together. BUT I've got to admit that since it happened, I've been borderline-obsessed with the story (I've been checking this blog at least a thousand times a day), and it's really got me interested. But I'm just... disappointed in James. So darn easily tempted.
Anon 5:07: I don't think Carlotta was actually ever specifically described as being prettier than Lily, but I suppose we can assume as much.
Nia- Yeah, you and Jenn are helping me deal with this Carlotta/James situation better. No puppies have been shot. I, too, don't want them together but I have to admit, I am much more eager about the upcoming chapters as well.
As for Carlotta and Lily, I think they are different kind of pretty... no?
@Kelsey: Oh my gosh I love to make fun of the Twilight movies! My friends and I go on the opening day for each one and just laugh the whole time. They really are quite entertaining. -Sara
Even if Carlotta was prettier than Lily (though that's subjective anyways), I don't think that's why Lily would get upset. If she got upset, it would probably just be because she likes James and is jealous of him being with any other girl, not just a girl that's prettier than her.
There was a post waaaay up there about lack a good reason to read Twilight. I believe someone said they didn't get it? I'll try to break it down:
Twilight is not about vampires. I mean that in the least spiteful way possible. Vampires are merely an allegory for how the imperfectly beautiful view the perfect people. It's not a very good allegory, but that's how it is. The perspective is thus: they aren't like us, they're better. And in SMeyer's world, yes they are.
Also, the Edward character is designed as the "perfect man" for all of his supposed flaws. He's beautiful, he's chivalrous, he never strays... when a young girl (I'm using myself as an example here) first reads Twilight she can easily fall in love with the idea of someone totally devoted to her. Apparently, this idea is also popular with thirtysomething married women. Moving past all the Desperate Housewives jokes at my disposal, it's the idea of a "bad boy" with a heart of gold. Then again, said heart isn't exactly beating, but hey, it's fantasy. I imagine it's the same sort of draw with that whole "rich boy/poor girl" scenario that never really dies.
But in the same context (breaking from explanation here), this "perfect man" image is also incredibly damaging.
Edward is completely flawless. So the book says; I disagree. I find him obsessive, self-serving, and self-pitying. But the fact remains that he is smart, charming, athletic, beautiful, musical, philosophical, and did I mention he's kinda whipped? Where does this leave the rest of the male population, then? Sitting in the dust. There are a lot of fantastic guys out there that only fit one, maybe two categories listed above. These guys have thoughts in their head other than those about one girl. They have lives, family, friends, jobs, hobbies, dreams - all things that Edward Cullen pushes aside and they embrace. This is healthy. Women should not be the center of a man's world (though I'll admit we should be pretty high up on the priorities).
And then there's the women who are treated poorly. The teenyboppers, thinking they should be anti-social, clumsy, and "deep" to snag the man of her nightmarish dreams. The thirtysomething wives who talk about Taylor Launter in ways that, were they men talking about an underage girl, should get them arrested. Sometimes I look at my gender and go "Really? You just did that?" because I'm so embarrassed by all the Twihard fanatics. I won't even get started on the obsessive, unhealthy nature of Bella and Edward's relationship because no power on this earth can stop me from ranting about how no one should ever be so dependant as to need to die if one's lover is "dead."
So, as a previous Twilight fan, I can understand the love and the "Edward's so hott" thing, because the idea behind the series is a fantasy of so-called true love. Fantasies of things like the perfect male aren't wrong, and I can't fault anyone for that, but after putting down the book it's time to come out of the fantasy and into reality.
P.S. I vote yes for James to sleep with Carlotta. It's a brilliant plot device.
@bree: aw, shucks, you made me blush. You've got to stop doing that - one day my face will freeze in that expression and that would be no end of awkward.
To be clear, I don't actually *like* Carlotta and James together, but it think it's a very good idea. So I'm a bit on the fence. I'd be happy if they didn't, but I'd respect Jules as a storyteller if they did.
@anon 9:47... i actually don't know who... which who are you?
@Kneelb4todd-PREACH (minus J/C... I'll tolerate it and thats about it)
@Charlie- LOVE GILMORE GIRLS... LOVE Lathe/Donna
@Nina- I like that part... and I think James is always going to have some reminisce of that in his head even after they get together, he just needs to see that she is equally in awe of him.
It think Carlotta and Lily are supposed to be differences kinds of pretty. Like in Pride and Prejudice (the movie) both Jane and Lizzy are gorgeous but Jane is like typical beauty and Lizzy is a different kind of beauty.
OH, and whoever it was who was talking about unreasonable number of partners.... YOU ARE SO RIGHT! I read this fanfic that was otherwise good, but at one point, James says he's been with 27 people. First of all, with Hogwarts numbers, that means he's probably hooked up with fourteen year olds. And EW. Not to be mean, but I'm thinking that anyone who is writing that has NO idea the average amount of sex that a seventeen year old/normal human being has. I wouldn't share a glass with anyone in my age group that had been with twenty-seven people.
Obviously.
ReplyDeleteYou can't leave us with just that <:P
ReplyDelete“I see. And you drew the short straw, did you?”
ReplyDelete“Volunteered actually.” Lily looked at him curiously (that bloody dress must have been crafted by Satan himself.) “I just—I wanted to talk to you.”
I see what ya did there... Since one of the 7 deadly sins is lust satan would be happy.. Overreaching?
ReplyDeleteJust temptation in general, but yes, basically correct.
ReplyDeleteMoments where James is fucking adorable, are the best! :) I also love how distracted Lily can make him, as if he's over her!
ReplyDelete-Jenn
Tease.
ReplyDeleteLol, it's the conversation from the beginning of 28. It's just a different POV.
ReplyDeleteLol, still.
ReplyDeleteNext chapter is so gonna be Midnight Sun-y :)
ReplyDeleteEh, good point.
ReplyDeleteI love Bree's comment. Can't wait to read the new chapter! (it will be infinitely better than Midnight Sun though because there is an real plot)
ReplyDeleteUnlike MS, I hope Jules actually finishes this one.
ReplyDeleteand unlike Midnight Sun - the characters here actually have personality and are interesting. Not to mention Jules writing abilities go further then describing someones velvet voice and impossible beauty every 5 seconds.
ReplyDeleteand what the hell is a velvet voice anyway!!? How do you talk like a material??!!
ReplyDeleteMy cotton voice.
I spoke in a polyster tone.
God i sound woollen today.
-_-
Yay! Twilight bashing! I don't have time to start on the many (many, many) things I hate about Twilight, but just coming across other people who feel the same way makes me soooo happy :D
ReplyDelete~ Nia
"My cotton voice."
ReplyDeleteOMFG LOL
Well... I recognize Twilight is crap, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it. *Kanye shrug*
ReplyDeleteyeah i once read twilight and liked it too when i was like 15. but the thing is that you only read it once for entertainment and that's it, it's over. there's no desire to read them over and over again. books like harry potter stay in your heart forever.
ReplyDeleteOooh I can't wait to read more adorable James. He really is QUITE adorable, isn't he? I was just rereading um... can't remember chapter number, but it was after a party and James, taking Reg's advice, was going to tell Lily how he felt but dedided not to cos she said "I hate complicated"... AW!! I wanted to give him a hug. Bless his little heart!
ReplyDeleteAnd I hate Twilight too :)
LOL 2:32. Polyester tone. Personally, "velvet voice" remind me of someone with a super evil voice.
ReplyDeleteAlso LOL @Kanye shrug
Have you guys ever seen the comic Garfield Minus Garfield? Where they just take Garfield out of the comic and make it about a ultra depressed Jon?
I think if they did Twilight minus Bella, I might enjoy it. I just fucking hate that character. And I know Rosalie is supposed to be the "mean, shallow" one, but she's WAY more BA. Dude, that bitch killed her fiancee who raped her in her wedding dress. Fucking props, woman. Can the books be about her? Or the Confederate. DUDE, a CIVIL WAR ERA CONFEDERATE VAMPIRE! That shit's epic. WHY ARE THESE BOOKS NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BESIDES BELLA?
I think somebody else mentioned this in another post, but you mentioned in your recap that James & Carlotta hit it off in the biblical sense..does that mean that puppy endangering events have already happened? ;)
ReplyDelete"WHY ARE THESE BOOKS NOT ABOUT ANYONE ELSE BESIDES BELLA?"
ReplyDeleteThat is the real question. Omg, this reminds me of a one shot fic I read (yes, I read AU Twilight ff >.< ) that blew my mind. And later me and my friend concluded it was because that was what should have happened in the books. Two pages in Word, that's how long it should have taken for the story to end.
Here's the fic is anyone dares (being that no one can stand Twilight lol): http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6414325/1/Throwing_Darts
ReplyDelete@ Jules @ bree
ReplyDeleteTotally disagree. While I dislike Bella, I EXTREMELY dislike both Edward and Jacob.
Team Edward or Team Jacob? Um... Team Neither, thank you! If it was a choice between only those two guys, I'd sooner turn les.
-- Lou
I don't really like any of the main characters in the books. And the worst thing is that she writes it as if you're supposed to like them, when they're all really terrible people.
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ReplyDeleteI always thought those team fuckeries referred to who they wanted for Bella, not for themselves. Boy, was that a rude awakening.
ReplyDeleteI rather like Mike, the human. He was nothing but nice and Bella was such a bitch to him. IalsolikeAUversionsofEdwardbecausetheyarealwaysjerks.
Yep.
Alex Reads Twilight sums it all up.
ReplyDelete@ bree: well if it was for who I want for Bella... then it wouldn't make a difference if it was Edward or Jacob, they're both just as annoying as Bella, and as such both suit her perfectly. Team Jacob or Team Edward? Team Whoever-can-get-her-to-fucking-stop-whining.
ReplyDelete^ LMAO.
ReplyDelete@ Jules: I've seen that! But I didn't pay attention to anything he was saying, I was just swooning over his sexy accent. I'm swooning now just thinking of it :p
ReplyDeleteOh, how I love Nerimon.
ReplyDeleteBut I guess the one character that has a sweet personality would be Seth (I think that's his name..? He's one of the werewolves)
Well put Anon 3:20
ReplyDeleteLol thanks.
ReplyDeleteOkay, so I read the Twilight books 'cos everyone was going on about them and I didn't want to feel left out. At the end, I put the book down and said (to no-one in particular) 'I don't get it.'
So I went onto a couple of Twilight fansites and forums and told people that I read the book and said that I didn't get it and can someone please tell me what it is about the books that so many poeple liked. I got dozens of replies, all along the lines of 'Cos Edward is Hottt!'
It's been a couple of years since then and I've yet to come across a more sensible answer.
So if anyone here enjoyed the Twilight books, please enlighten me as to why.
-- Lou
^ I know, right! There is no reason for liking Twilight other than you develop a crush on either Edward or Jacob it seems. LAME.
ReplyDeleteWow. These comments took awhile to get through but I laughed a lot :-))
ReplyDeleteMy favourite Twilight guy was that Volturi dude. Y'know, the one that was really bored all the time. He made me laugh a lot when everyone's like: KILL THE CULLENS and he's like: can I go home?
@Lou: The reason I enjoy the "SAGAofallepicSAGAS" is sort of why I watch the Brady Bunch. Because it's SO bad, it becomes funny. I like to read the books out in this weird, dramatic voice. It amuses me.
But that's probably not the answer you've been looking for :-))
-Charlie
Breaking Dawn is literally the WORST book i have ever read in my life. The first 3 are nothing special but that one is just...disgraceful.
ReplyDeleteStephanie Meyer is a terrible author, there's no other way to put it.
in other news: any idea when the chaphy will be done?
@ previous anon: Yeah Breaking Dawn is embarrassingly bad, but I thought the second one New Moon was the worst. The bit where she writes a whole bunch of months out per page... that made me so angry I screamed. How was this story published?!
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm not being funny, but I've never written a single story since high school, but I could write better than Stephanie Meyer. I know most of the rules of grammar, which Meyer clearly does not.
ReplyDelete--Lou
IDK, The Host wasn't as bad...
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 2:52--totally forgot to answer your question; sorry. Have James/Carlotta already shagged? It's... nebulous. Lol. There's an assumption made by Sirius (and soon Shelley) that they have, just because she's Carlotta and he's James, but whether they actually HAVE at this point is not really clear. But I think its safe to say that whether or not they have, they prolly will through the course of their relationship.
ReplyDeletethose poor, poor puppies.
ReplyDeleteLool
ReplyDeleteAww Bree is the one who is balancing this arguement out :D
Nebulous. lol, love that word.
ReplyDeleteJules- ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 4:02- Haha, I like playing Devil's advocate!
why is james potter not real? it's not fair.
ReplyDeleteJULES PLEASE NONONONONO
ReplyDeleteNO J/C SHAGGING
please? :( the poor puppies... not to mention readers... :P
-Bug
I second that, Bug.
ReplyDeleteOMFG just had a brilliant idea! LETS VOTE ON WHETHER JAMES AND CARLOTTA SHOULD SHAG! AND JULES HAS TO GO WITH THE RESULT! =D
(by the way, is 'shag' english slang? I've only ever come across this term in fanfiction.)
I vote: NEVER.
ReplyDeleteI vote yes.
ReplyDeleteWTF yes?! Why?
ReplyDeleteloool bree 'no' wasn't good enough?
ReplyDeleteBecause i have this weird thing where i like the idea of James being a womanising sex fiend before he gets with Lily. LOL. And also i think the drama it shall cause between Lily/Carlotta/Shelley will be good fun to read.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous- Nope, LOL. I had to make my answer more dramatic.
ReplyDeleteHaha Bree. I actually don't mind James and Carlotta together. I mean yes he's obviously meant for Lily, but at least he's not crying in some corner like a little boy. And if he's gonna date someone else, why shouldn't he shag her? Plus I do believe him being with Carlotta with jump start Lily's affections for him, which is definitely needed, because sexy dreams just don't cut it. :)
ReplyDelete-Jenn
4:20: LOL all those super-cliched fanfics must be just your thing, then. I have to click away when I read that as I find it a bit too unlikely.
ReplyDelete4:10 yes I believe shag is brit slang.
I vote... um... no, cos I don't like the idea of James sleeping with her, but yes because it will be intersting.
-Lou
I vote never.
ReplyDeleteAnd if it for some reason does happen (*shudder.grimace.twitch*) I shall pretend that it hasn't.
Jenn, no, it's not like that. I'm all for James getting as much sex as he can before he finally ends up with Lily. But just NOT Carlotta. God, I hate her. I prefer anyone but HER.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 4:26- Amen. I will do the same.
ReplyDeleteBut I feel like it's better because it's her, Bree. Because she's so different than Lily, it's the only way it'll work. As it is James already compares them, and if they were too similar it would drive him mad. But because Carlotta is very different from Lily, it adds an interesting spin on things.
ReplyDelete-Jenn
Disregarding the fact that Jules is going to do whatever she wants no matter what we vote, I would just like to say YES. It needs to happen. James continuously fawning after Lily without seeing any other girls is soo unrealistic (coughEdward'sfeelingsforBellacoughcough). There needs to be depth, I think. And how is James supposed to know for a fact that he is absolutely meant for Lily without first realizing that he ISN'T meant for anyone else?
ReplyDelete4:25 No i don't like super cliched fics at all lol. Usually the stories where James is what i described are terrible, which is dissapointing. Theres only about 5 stories in all fan fiction that i actually love and James doesn't get much action in any of them.
ReplyDeleteI just don't like the idea of James never being with anyone before Lily. I mean he was an attractive, popular guy and i reckon he would have been with a few girls.
Yes, I know, Jenn. I know this and it kills me because I hate her, lol.
ReplyDelete"I'm all for James getting as much sex as he can before he finally ends up with Lily." .... Why? He is seventeen when he ends up with her... why do so many fanfic writers give him enough sexual experience for a man twice his age?
ReplyDeleteNow I'm not saying that he should be a virgin, or she should be a virgin or whatever. They were seventeen - and at seventeen, it can go either way. But I read a fic recently in which James and Lily have That Conversation, and in it, Lily (surprise, surprise) is still a virgin. James on the other hand, has slept with twenty-one girls. At seventeen years of age.
I mean... wtf? - Lou
Oh Bree. It's okay. If it happens you can use my shoulder to cry one :)
ReplyDelete-Jenn
4:34 No, I think it somewhat unlikely that he didn't have a girlfriend before Lily - he was, after all, a good-looking popular teenage boy. It's likely that he did have a few girlfriends, and it's perfectly possible that he lost his virginity before Lily. I don't mind that. I DO mind him having slept with dozens of girls... it's just unlikely. And James-in-my-head isn't a total shit-bag who would sleep with loads of girls just cos it's cool to.
ReplyDeleteLou
I meant to say on not one, haha
ReplyDeleteAnd Lou, I do think 21 girls is a bit much. And by a bit, I mean that's way too much.
-Jenn
@Lou -- AGREE.
ReplyDeleteSo... Is James a virgin?
ReplyDeleteAND the main reason that I don't like it is cos it's just so darn cliche, it happened in every fanfiction back when. THAT'S what mostly annoys me. I would read a super cliche fic if it was otherwise well-written, but they usually aren't.
ReplyDeleteSo MY POINT IS... I don't want him to sleep with Carlotta. (that was originally my point wasn't it?) Lou
No James isn't a vrigin. He slept with some girl called Sarah.
ReplyDeleteLou
Jenn- *sniff* Okay.
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:34- Twenty one?! Holy Mother... No, that's not what I meant. I meant he could have sex repeatedly with a steady partner that is not Carlotta (lol). I did NOT mean I'd rather him have sex with 21 or more girls.
I kind of want him to just so he'd be all "OMGSHITWTFDIDIJUSTDO" afterwards.
ReplyDeleteI don't know. I hate it when the numbers are extreme, but I still think that James needs to sleep with Carlotta because she has a face, if that makes sense. This Sarah that he slept with, we never really got to know her. It's much more interesting with the character is close to the main plot. Plus, James isn't perfect, and he's going to make mistakes. I think that might finally make him realize that things with Carlotta are not okay, and that it's not a good idea. Maybe.
ReplyDelete^ silver_thunderbird LOL I hope that is what happens when ... 'it' happens lol.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, twentyone is way way way too much. If I found out my hubby slept with twenty one girls before me, I would kick him to the curb.
Lou
Hmmm. did I mean 'kerb' instead of 'curb'? I've been staring at the word for a minute and I can't tell.
ReplyDeleteNope, you meant curb. Unless you're from the UK. In which case you meant kerb, I think.
ReplyDeleteOh lol. Didn't even know there was a difference.
ReplyDeleteMY opinion is that James should NOT sleep with Carlotta... because, well, Lily is described as pretty and beautiful etc. and Carlotta, I believe is the only person described as prettier than Lily? (Correct me if I'm wrong, but she was described as prettier than Lily at one point?) SO, if Lily is to be made to feel worthless and insecure, sleeping with Carlotta would be the one way to do it.
Now this may be said to be the very reason for James to sleep with her, but I wouldn't like it.
AND, James is already doubting his decision to give things with Carlotta a go... so surely he should just end it now. NOT sleep with her.
I definitely do not want them to sleep together. James might catch something.
ReplyDelete~ Nia
Ahh I meant 'kerb' then. Haha, I always point out to authors when they are using too many americanisms. I feel silly now that I used one myself.
ReplyDelete--Lou
^ THAT.
ReplyDeleteUgh I just find anyone sleeping with Carlotta so revolting but I guess I could learn to live with it if it happened, I've seen worse. I once read a fic where James got drunk and cheated on Lily...after they got married...yeah... Needless to say I skiddadled outta there pretty quick.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I'm looking forward to this post as it is the last Carlotta free chapter. (I think she's scheduled for a reappearance in Chapter 30?)
Just reread the first Donna/Lathe conversation. It's reallyrather amusing :-))
ReplyDelete"This is why I didn't want this job," sighed the wizard. "Alright... um—I'm not your teacher, so I'm not going to punish you or anything, but... just... stop. You... girl..." To Donna, "Don't hex people. It's not how you get a bloke's attention."
"Oh, I didn't hex them," Donna answered at once. "You see, they were fighting, so I tried to break them up."
"By hexing them," concluded the other, dryly.
:-)) Oh, and am also rewatching the pilot Gilmore Girls episode, and have remembered that the very first words on the show were:
"Please Luke, please, please, please."
-One, Lorelai Gilmore.
Having a Wonderful Night!
-Charlie
@Charlie YES GILMORE GIRLS! my love for that show is so immense and cannot describe it.
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Oh man, totally missed two huge debates! Okay, Twilight: whoever said the books were entertaining to read once, but never over and over like HP--exactly my opinion of them. Also, they DEFINITELY should have been about someone beside Bella, like Jasper (b/c I love him--er, relative to the others, at least). And I agree with whoever said the part in New Moon where she just skips over like three months is terrible. Though totally hilarious in the movie when they do THE SAME THING and just rotate the camera view around Bella sitting in a chair....does anyone else LOVE watching the movies just because they're so much fun to ridicule?
ReplyDeleteAs for James and Carlotta getting their shag on ;) I don't have an opinion one way or the other. It doesn't bother me, but I'm not like YES THIS HAS TO HAPPEN!
Gilmore Girls = love
yes James! Shag Carlotta, realize she's crap and go back to Lily :)
ReplyDelete^ I would be very happy if we could skip the shag step...
ReplyDeleteOkay, here's my issue. I just read the bit of LaT that an Anon mentioned many eons ago:
ReplyDelete"And nothing had changed. She was still too good for words, and he was still helpless. He had always known there was no chance for him, and that hadn't changed either. He had always known there was a Luke, and he had always known she would only be confused by what he wanted to say. Nothing had changed, except maybe one factor.
...
It shouldn't be Luke. It should be James, not Luke. It was so wrong, and she couldn't see it, and it completely, completely sucked. But she was afraid of complicated, and maybe that took precedence over what James wanted, no matter how desperately he wanted it."
Oh James, that was incredibly sweet, my heart hurt for you when I read that. But she's not with Luke anymore. So it should be quite simple. Except it's not cos you're with fucking Carlotta now, you div.
*Sigh* I didn't like the Carlotta twist, and I certainly don't want them to sleep together. BUT I've got to admit that since it happened, I've been borderline-obsessed with the story (I've been checking this blog at least a thousand times a day), and it's really got me interested. But I'm just... disappointed in James. So darn easily tempted.
Anon 5:07: I don't think Carlotta was actually ever specifically described as being prettier than Lily, but I suppose we can assume as much.
~ Nia
Nia- Yeah, you and Jenn are helping me deal with this Carlotta/James situation better. No puppies have been shot. I, too, don't want them together but I have to admit, I am much more eager about the upcoming chapters as well.
ReplyDeleteAs for Carlotta and Lily, I think they are different kind of pretty... no?
@Kelsey: Oh my gosh I love to make fun of the Twilight movies! My friends and I go on the opening day for each one and just laugh the whole time. They really are quite entertaining.
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Even if Carlotta was prettier than Lily (though that's subjective anyways), I don't think that's why Lily would get upset. If she got upset, it would probably just be because she likes James and is jealous of him being with any other girl, not just a girl that's prettier than her.
ReplyDeleteThere was a post waaaay up there about lack a good reason to read Twilight. I believe someone said they didn't get it? I'll try to break it down:
ReplyDeleteTwilight is not about vampires. I mean that in the least spiteful way possible. Vampires are merely an allegory for how the imperfectly beautiful view the perfect people. It's not a very good allegory, but that's how it is. The perspective is thus: they aren't like us, they're better. And in SMeyer's world, yes they are.
Also, the Edward character is designed as the "perfect man" for all of his supposed flaws. He's beautiful, he's chivalrous, he never strays... when a young girl (I'm using myself as an example here) first reads Twilight she can easily fall in love with the idea of someone totally devoted to her. Apparently, this idea is also popular with thirtysomething married women. Moving past all the Desperate Housewives jokes at my disposal, it's the idea of a "bad boy" with a heart of gold. Then again, said heart isn't exactly beating, but hey, it's fantasy. I imagine it's the same sort of draw with that whole "rich boy/poor girl" scenario that never really dies.
But in the same context (breaking from explanation here), this "perfect man" image is also incredibly damaging.
Edward is completely flawless. So the book says; I disagree. I find him obsessive, self-serving, and self-pitying. But the fact remains that he is smart, charming, athletic, beautiful, musical, philosophical, and did I mention he's kinda whipped? Where does this leave the rest of the male population, then? Sitting in the dust. There are a lot of fantastic guys out there that only fit one, maybe two categories listed above. These guys have thoughts in their head other than those about one girl. They have lives, family, friends, jobs, hobbies, dreams - all things that Edward Cullen pushes aside and they embrace. This is healthy. Women should not be the center of a man's world (though I'll admit we should be pretty high up on the priorities).
And then there's the women who are treated poorly. The teenyboppers, thinking they should be anti-social, clumsy, and "deep" to snag the man of her nightmarish dreams. The thirtysomething wives who talk about Taylor Launter in ways that, were they men talking about an underage girl, should get them arrested. Sometimes I look at my gender and go "Really? You just did that?" because I'm so embarrassed by all the Twihard fanatics. I won't even get started on the obsessive, unhealthy nature of Bella and Edward's relationship because no power on this earth can stop me from ranting about how no one should ever be so dependant as to need to die if one's lover is "dead."
So, as a previous Twilight fan, I can understand the love and the "Edward's so hott" thing, because the idea behind the series is a fantasy of so-called true love. Fantasies of things like the perfect male aren't wrong, and I can't fault anyone for that, but after putting down the book it's time to come out of the fantasy and into reality.
P.S. I vote yes for James to sleep with Carlotta. It's a brilliant plot device.
^ kneelb4todd, I agree with literally everything you said... except the PS ;-) But the rest is well put!
ReplyDelete@bree: aw, shucks, you made me blush. You've got to stop doing that - one day my face will freeze in that expression and that would be no end of awkward.
ReplyDeleteTo be clear, I don't actually *like* Carlotta and James together, but it think it's a very good idea. So I'm a bit on the fence. I'd be happy if they didn't, but I'd respect Jules as a storyteller if they did.
lindsay m this is for you...
ReplyDeleteI fucking love James when he is being adorable!
-you know who
@anon 9:47... i actually don't know who... which who are you?
ReplyDelete@Kneelb4todd-PREACH (minus J/C... I'll tolerate it and thats about it)
@Charlie- LOVE GILMORE GIRLS... LOVE Lathe/Donna
@Nina- I like that part... and I think James is always going to have some reminisce of that in his head even after they get together, he just needs to see that she is equally in awe of him.
It think Carlotta and Lily are supposed to be differences kinds of pretty. Like in Pride and Prejudice (the movie) both Jane and Lizzy are gorgeous but Jane is like typical beauty and Lizzy is a different kind of beauty.
kneelb4todd- Yeah, I'd still respect Jules if she made them go at it. BUT it doesn't mean I'm going to like it :-(
ReplyDeleteOH, and whoever it was who was talking about unreasonable number of partners.... YOU ARE SO RIGHT! I read this fanfic that was otherwise good, but at one point, James says he's been with 27 people. First of all, with Hogwarts numbers, that means he's probably hooked up with fourteen year olds. And EW.
ReplyDeleteNot to be mean, but I'm thinking that anyone who is writing that has NO idea the average amount of sex that a seventeen year old/normal human being has. I wouldn't share a glass with anyone in my age group that had been with twenty-seven people.
@kneelb4todd's twilight post: incredibly well-said. I totally agree ;)
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